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Beethoven's Fourth Symphony introduced by Osmo Vänskä

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:37 pm
by Seán
Of all the nine symphonies, for me it is No 4 that is looking back a little bit to the earlier, Viennese, Classical style. It is more connected to the first two symphonies than to the Eroica. That’s how it speaks to me. I have always thought that the Eroica is the first big step to the Romantic era, the Fourth comes back – and we know what happened with the Fifth! I have often heard people talk of the ‘big’ Beethoven symphonies – Nos 3, 5, 6, 7 and 9; and the ‘smaller’ ones – Nos 1, 2, 4 and 8. That’s all about form. If we are speaking just about music, then I believe these so-called smaller symphonies have the same amount of music in their symphonic bodies. Perhaps they are more like chamber music, but they therefore serve as a reminder of what a great composer of chamber music Beethoven was: less is not less.

What the conductor has to decide with all the symphonies is what the tempo should be. It is so often said that Beethoven’s markings are impossibly fast and something was wrong with his metronome, but when I have performed and recorded the symphonies I have used my own personal system, based on no great idea or theory. First I try to take the tempos as they are written. If I cannot make them work, I take them down by 10 per cent. In most cases, this has been working very well for me. Sometimes the metronome markings do seem to me to be too fast: there is time to play the notes, but not to breathe. In my recording of this symphony, the first three movements are perhaps 10 per cent behind the metronome markings, but the finale is very close to Beethoven’s marking.

The structure of Symphony No 4 makes it closer to the Classical style. The orchestra is down to one flute and there is a slow introduction to the opening movement, though not to the final movement. This is a great piece of music, and even if it had not been written by Beethoven as part of such a cycle of works, I am sure it would have its place in programmes – without help from the other symphonies.

When my recording was made in May 2004, I had already conducted the new Del Mar/Bärenreiter editions with the BBC Scottish Symphony Orchestra. The scores had not been printed yet, but we obtained a list of the changes; it was a great thing for us – an opportunity to learn something that was more original. Then we started to do the recordings, which I think may have been the first to use these new editions.

‘The phrases should always be connected to rhythm and dance, even in the slower movements’

When BIS asked me to do some recordings, my first reaction was to ask why? This cycle had been recorded so much, so why did we need more? The question mark was huge and I discussed the matter with many friends. How could we do a cycle that would have its own place among so many others? My only interest was in going back to the score, ignoring all those previous efforts and seeking to be as true to the composer as possible. Fortunately, we had a good producer with a good ear, which is a great experience for everybody and a masterclass in itself. Possibly the most important feature of these recordings, for me, was the fact that the orchestra was performing better after every CD. It was a great school for ensemble-working and for sound; and a reminder that the way to play this music is to have more dancing. The phrases should always be connected to rhythm and dance, even in the slower movements.

The Beethoven symphonies are like nine children in the same family. All are individual and all are great, but with different characters. Some get more attention than others, but they still come from the same family. In my personal history there have not been so many performances of Symphony No 4. I have conducted it perhaps 20 times, but orchestras are always asking to do Nos 3, 5, 6 and 7. The music is great, however; especially in the last movement, where the wind solos are always a pleasure to listen to, in particular those for clarinet. The dynamic range is huge. This is very much connected to old music too, with the brass, the timpani and the horns doing really powerful things, but always in short bursts only, so they don’t overdominate. I’m grateful to those of my colleagues who have contributed to our musical endeavours in moving away from the ‘Romantic’ tradition.

Although I played all these works when I was an orchestral musician, it is the score that matters to me, not those performances or earlier recordings. The score is more important to me than any ‘tradition’. Toscanini wanted a very dramatic effect, not just beauty; and he never compromised anything. I like that idea very much. Once, in Minneapolis and also at Carnegie Hall, I paired Beethoven’s Fourth Symphony with Sibelius’s Fifth; and then Sibelius’s Fourth with Beethoven’s Fifth. This was not the decision of any musicologist – it was real life, practical life, where that combination worked very well and the Fourths were just the shy guys from two great families.

Re: Beethoven's Fourth Symphony introduced by Osmo Vänskä

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:07 am
by fergus
I do not own this performance, the article only has very short clips and I can find nothing on YouTube for this Vanska performance so I have used the 1962 von Karajan version as my listening guide while contemplating Vanska’s comments.

There are three major comments that stand out for me regarding Vanska’s philosophy of interpretation and they are his comments regarding disregarding what anyone else had done and just focusing on the score in the first place and seeking to be as true to the composer as possible and secondly, his attempt to comply with Beethoven’s metronome markings. The third is that “the phrases should always be connected to rhythm and dance, even in the slower movements”. That is not normally an element of Beethoven’s symphonies that one would take note of but in the absence of hearing the actual performance under Vanska I cannot comment any further on it.

I am not so sure that I agree with Vanska with regard to this work seemingly looking backwards. To me it is more a pause for breath and contemplation between what went before and what was to come. Yes, there are certainly nods back in that direction but there are too many elements of the musical language of the fourth that have their origin in the third for me to see it any other way.

This is another wonderful work; different, as they all were, but very alluring and attractive.

The Symphony starts with a Haydnesque slow introduction which apparently prompted Carl Maria von Weber to complain that it moved "at the rate of three or four notes per quarter of an hour." It was pointed out in something that I read recently that the first four notes in the strings here are almost exactly the same notes that comprise the famous 'Fate knocking' motive that dramatically begins the Fifth Symphony. I have checked both scores and the note values are different but the notes are, with some accidentals, identical.
The dark, brooding slow introduction belies what is to come. With a series of chords the orchestra breaks free and launches into a light and sunny theme. The writing for the woodwinds is wonderful in this movement. There is also great dynamic range in this movement coupled with great energy and drive. The music really is wonderful!

The Adagio contains some really lovely music. The first theme on the flutes with that typical Mozartian throbbing accompaniment on the violins is beautiful as is that second haunting theme played on the clarinet. The violins take up the melancholy running. Those woodwinds return and we gradually make our way towards a graceful conclusion.

The third movement is designated “Menuetto” but for all intents and purposes it is Scherzo. This is indeed a “Minuet” that is far removed from the elegant and graceful examples by both Haydn and Mozart. The other unusual aspect here is the somewhat lengthy Trio section which is repeated at a later juncture.

The final movement expresses the vital force of Beethoven. It is restless and energetic, bursting with vitality and forward drive. Take note of Vanska’s comment of the short but very effective woodwind solos in this movement. Note also just at the end of the movement where the orchestra seems to run out of steam only to find one last gasp of energy to conclude proceedings.

Re: Beethoven's Fourth Symphony introduced by Osmo Vänskä

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:29 pm
by Seán
I thought it appropriate to post my current listening here:

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Ludwig van Beethoven
Symphony No. 4

Minnesota Orchestra
Osmo Vänskä conducting.


This is a marvellous recording of the Fourth in what is a splendid set, recommended.

This excerpt is from a review on of the entire set on Musicweb and it says it better than I could hope to do:
The disc with both the 4th and 5th symphonies was the first of this set to be released as a single disc, but even with 5 years between the earliest and last of these recordings the quality in performance is invariably of the highest, Vänskä and his new orchestra taking to each other from the outset. Herbert von Karajan is pretty iconic in these pieces, and for collectors it would seem that the first 1960s outing with the Berlin Philharmonic still gets the pulses racing the most. Comparing these with Vänskä today is another fascinating exercise, with Karajan’s wide sweep over these magnificent symphonic canvasses embracing them like a magician’s cloak. Karajan is more legato and sustained, Vänskä lighter in articulation and more transparent. Take the separation and shape of the notes in the Adagio second movement of the Symphony No.4 as an example, Karajan stressing and pushing the notes, Vänskä allowing them to breathe more, always seeking to allow his solo instruments maximum air without relaxing the harmonic direction of each moment. He produces a remarkable atmosphere and keeps us enthralled, very much the equal of Karajan but competing on an almost entirely different terrain.

Read more: http://www.musicweb-international.com/c ... z3hZOZSYPo

Re: Beethoven's Fourth Symphony introduced by Osmo Vänskä

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 3:24 pm
by fergus
Seán wrote:
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This is a marvellous recording of the Fourth in what is a splendid set, recommended.

As I have mentioned before I have not heard the cycle Seán but based on Vanska's thinking in the interview I am now considering it.